Polygamy

Mormon Polygamous Family pre 1890.

One of the most identifiable traits of Mormonism is polygamy. It’s a hot topic in today’s culture and the history of the LDS church is full of it. From it’s founder to this very day, Mormons have embraced Polygamy as a vital part of ones progression to exaltation. While it’s true that the LDS church officially banned the practice in 1890 through a manifesto written by then prophet Wilford Woodruff, polygamy is still very much a part of every Mormon’s life.



Joseph Smith, the founder of Mormonism, had at least 20 wives. Some say even up to 33. But here is a list provided by mrm.org

1. Louisa Beaman Apr 5, 1841
2. Zina Diantha Huntington Oct 27, 1841
3. Prescendia Lathrop Huntington Dec 11, 1841
4. Desdemona W. Fullmer 1842
5. Mary Elizabeth Rollins (Lightner) Jan 17, 1842
6. Patty Bartlett (Sessions) Mar 9, 1842
7. Marinda Nancy Johnson (Hyde) Apr 1842
8. Eliza Roxcy Snow Jun 29, 1842
9. Sarah Ann Whitney Jul 27, 1842
10. Martha McBride (Knight) Aug [3] 1842
11. Almera Woodard Johnson Apr 1843
12. Ruth D. Vose (Sayers) Feb 1843
13. Eliza Partridge Mar 8, 1843
14. Helen Mar Kimball May 1843
15. Lucy Walker May 1, 1843
16. Emily Partridge May 11, 1843
17. Sarah Lawrence May 11, 1843
18. Rhoda Richards Jun 12, 1843
19. Melissa Lott Sep 20, 1843
20. Fanny Young (Murray) Nov 2, 1843

So why Polygamy? Well on July 12, 1843 Joseph Smith gave D&C 132:58–66, (Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth) as a revelation from God. The section itself states that this revelation had been known since 1831.

Brigham Young, LDS’s 2nd prophet said the following: “Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned; and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given, and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned.”

But since 1890, polygamy has been banned by the church, any member who is caught practicing the plurality of wives is excommunicated.

However, we’ve all heard about Mormons who still practice polygamy today, who are they? They are from any number of splinter groups primarily from the FLDS, or Fundamental Latter Day Saints. These are the people who were raided in Texas and FLDS prophet Warren Jeffs was taken to prison. The FLDS believe that the LDS Church gave in to political pressure and that the 1890 manifesto was not of God, but rather in fear of being destroyed by the US Government. The manifesto did come at an incredibly convenient time, seeing as the United States would not allow Utah statehood until the issue of polygamy had been taken care of. The LDS believe that the manifesto is of God and that practicing polygamy today is against the law of God. LDS think the FLDS is apostate, and vice versa.

Also interesting to note would be Wilford Woodruff view on Polygamy before he wrote the 1890 manifesto: "If we were to do away with polygamy, it would only be one feather in the bird, one ordinance in the Church and kingdom. Do away with that, then we must do away with prophets and Apostles, with revelation and the gifts and graces of the Gospel, and finally give up our religion altogether and turn sectarians and do as the world does, then all would be right. We just can't do that, for God has commanded us to build up His kingdom and to bear our testimony to the nations of the earth, and we are going to do it, come life or come death. He has told us to do thus, and we shall obey Him in days to come as we have in days past" (JOD 13:165 - p.166).

Even though faithful LDS agree that polygamy shouldn’t be practiced during this lifetime, they still believe it is an essential part of their personal progression. In the case where a man loses his wife while on earth, if he is sealed to another woman they will both be his wives in the next estate. If a Mormon does not have the opportunity to partake of plural marriage while alive, they believe they will be given the opportunity after death.

LDS claim that polygamy has always been a part of God’s plan and use the Old Testament patriarchs as their example. While it is true that our forefathers did practice polygamy, there is nothing in the Bible that shows God doing anything more than allowing it. God never encouraged plural wives or concubines, and the Bible as well as the Book of Mormon are actually monogamous in nature! In the Book of Mormon Jacob 2:27: says "Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none."

The issue I have with this is that if God really instituted the practice of Polygamy, I wouldn’t let the United States bully me into disobeying God’s law. Although faithful LDS will hold that God really did suspend the practice, I think they timing was too convenient for the church. This is only personal opinion though and open to individual decisions.

The Mormon people are more than just polygamy, it is sad that most people stop at polygamy and write them off. To me polygamy doesn’t seem like the worst thing the LDS church believes in, but that’s because I believe the LDS isn’t the true church. Everyone can’t learn everything about everything, there just isn’t enough time. But since you’re reading this, you should know that polygamy is just a small part of the LDS, not it’s defining doctrine.

Heaven? Heavens?

Crackling noise as radio transmission begins with a man in a monotone voice

Hello, and welcome to another episode of The Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy. Arthur Dent a man whose planet has just been blown up.... Just kidding.

This next post will be focusing on Heaven!

Starting off we will be describing what the Mormon's believe about heaven, and what the Christians believe about heaven.

Mormons: We believe that there are three separate kingdoms in heaven, the Celestial the Terrestrial and the Telestial.

The highest degree of glory is the Celestial. This is the kingdom where God and Christ live. It is also the kingdom where families can live with their earthly families and produce spirit children. In this kingdom you will receive a fullness of happiness, and receive exaltation (becoming a God) To enter into this kingdom you will need to have faith in Christ, be baptized and do all the necessary ordinances in the temple. Children who die before the age of accountability (usually 8) will also be in this kingdom.

The next highest is the Terrestrial. All of the beings from the Celestial kingdom (including Christ and God) will be able to visit this kingdom. The people who will be in this kingdom would have gotten the gospel on earth, rejected it, and then accepted it again after death. This is a place for Mormon's and Non-Mormons who didn't obey the commandments as best they could.

The lowest kingdom, Telestial, is still a heaven, but it is not as grand as the Terrestrial and Celestial. It will still be an awesome place. Doctrine & Covenants 76:89, “the glory of the Telestial… surpasses all understanding.” Only the Holy Ghost is able to go into that kingdom, God and Christ will not be there. The people in this kingdom will be the ones who reject the gospel and all the ordinances, in this life and in the life after death. Because they did not accept Christ, they would have to suffer for their own sins before they are resurrected to this kingdom.

Outer Darkness: This is where Satan/Santa is. Everybody who did not agree with God's plan, and instead followed Satan, is here. Only a few of us will go to outer darkness. Because you would have to deny the Holy Ghost. In order to do this a person must first gain a sure knowledge of the truthfulness of the gospel, and then deny it. It's like someone saying that there is no sun at noon on a clear day.

A biblical scripture that supports this is found in 2 Corinthians 12:2. " I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven"
Christians believe that Paul is referring to an atmospheric heaven, or sky, rather than the dwelling place of God.

Christianity: There is not a solid agreement on what Heaven is, but the more popular one is that Heaven will eventually be on this earth.

After Christians die they go to an intermediary place called Paradise, (Luke 23:43) it is here Christians wait until Jesus makes His second appearance. Once the whole story plays out, a new Earth will be created, it will be here where people will reign with God forever in their new glorified bodies. (Matt 25:34)

Christians believe in one heaven, but that people will receive different amounts of Glory (rewards) based on their works during their lifetime. (1 Cor 3:8) Heaven, to Christians, is “In the presence of God”.

Who gets in? Only those who are righteous may enter heaven. (Gal 5:21, Eph 5:5, Rev 22:15) Who is righteous? No one. (Rom 3:10) The only way to the Father is through Jesus Christ. (John 14:6) Christians are saved by grace though faith in Jesus Christ. So all who are saved will eventually reign with God for eternity on the New Earth. (Matt 25:34) Serving Him forever. (Rev 22:3)

Alrighty. As you can probably tell, both of these beliefs are different. Mormons believe that you will be in a kingdom according to your faith and works, and with people like you around you. Christians believe that there is one heaven and everybody who is saved will go there. If you were more faithful than others, you would receive more rewards then they would.

Christian Trinity Vs. Mormon Godhead

When comparing the Trinity against the Godhead, more similarities emerged than I had originally anticipated. I must also admit that I was particularly sketchy on the concept of Trinity myself. Being a math person, I couldn't come to terms with 1+1+1=1. It just wouldn't add up in my mind. Often times when I would approach the topic in conversation with a fellow Christian, the response would go along the lines of “God's ways are higher” and “Who are we to comprehend God”. While I do accept that there will be things I may never understand, I don't believe that is a free ticket to just stop trying. Doesn't the Bible say something about people who are willingly ignorant? Hmmm.

So first off, let's define terms.

Christian Trinity: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as three persons in one Godhead.

Mormon Godhead: The Church's first article of faith states, "We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost." These three beings make up the Godhead. They preside over this world and all other creations of our Father in Heaven.

That looks pretty much Identical. So how are they different? I'm glad you asked!

The difference lies in the defining of the actual members. You see, in Orthodox Christianity, we believe the Father, Son and Holy Spirit to be co-equal, as well as co-eternal. Christians believe that there was never a time where there didn't exist all three persons of the Godhead. Neither do they believe that one created the other. This is the fundamental difference between the Trinity and the Godhead. Not so much in it's structure, but in it's members.

In Mormonism, you are taught that God was not always God. God the Father was actually just a regular man on a planet much like our own. After this man followed all of the commands and ordinances required of him by his God, he was able to become “exalted” into who we now know as Father God, or as The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints refers to as “Heavenly Father”. Prior to creating Earth, Heavenly Father begat children with Heavenly Mother, the first child being Jesus. Heavenly Father also born the Holy Spirit, Lucifer, and everyone whose ever lived, is living, or ever will live.

Already you can see where the major differences are. Christianity claims that the trinity has always existed, while Mormonism holds that the Father achieved exaltation and that the Holy Spirit and Jesus are spirit children of Him. Both can't be right, but now that we know how they're different, we need to figure out which one is right, if one is right.

So why do Mormons believe that the Son and Holy Spirit were created? Why do they believe there was a time where Father was not Father? This seems to go against the Bible! You're completely right, however The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints claims that the Bible is only reliable as long as it's properly translated. They also ascertain that there are many “plain and precious things taken away from the book” book meaning Bible. The LDS church believes that God has proved them with additional revelations through their founding prophet Joseph Smith, in the forms of the Book of Mormon, the Pearl of Great Price, and the Doctrine & Covenants, along with a living prophet who today is President Thomas S. Monson.

In a later blog we go into more detail on just how different the Mormon and Christian concepts of God are. On the surface, they can appear quite similar, only when you dig deeper can you see just how polarizing the views are. In Matthew 24:24 we read "For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect--if that were possible." The question is, which Christ is the true Christ? Is it the traditional Christ of Orthodox Christianity, handed down through time within the pages of the Bible? Or was the Original Christ lost along the way, having now been restored by God through Joseph Smith?

We shall see...

Are You Ready To Rumble?

Hello! My name is Bryan also known as Amulon. If you know who Amulon (he was an evil guy in the Book of Mormon) is, you are probably asking "Why does he want to represent a wicked priest?" I picked Amulon because 1. If there were any Mormon's playing the same time I was, they would recognize me as one of them. 2. I thought it was an awesome name.

I was born into the Church of Jesus Christ of Ladder Day Saints. I've been a member all my life. Like most members who are born in the church, I basically went to church because my parents would bribe me with lemonade (not really). Probably around ten years old I started to enjoy going to church, and probably around twelve I went to church on my own accord (and yet, I still received lemonade).

I've never done a deep study on any religion, even the religion I was currently in. I was just learning the basics in church. My first outside-of-church-studying-actually-learning-more-than-the-basics for the gospel started when I finished the Book of Mormon, and received a testimony that it was a true book of God. Once I finished that, I started to read more of the Standard Works. Not until I met this weirdo named Paul, did I start doing a deep study of my religion. Now, because of him, I know so much more about my religion and the Christian religion (I believe that Mormon are Christians. Because we believe in Christ. But Paul has a different definition of Christian, but I generally use his definition. So when I say Christian, I am referring to the church Paul is in.)

The first conversations we ever had were usually about gaming, and other non-important stuff. Now our conversations are filled with so much religious cake, that my brain hurts just thinking about that much sugar. Paul and I grown so much in our religions, and our friendship has never been stronger. He has changed my life and has made me a better person. I hope that we will both find the truth, and by making this blog, helping you find the truth as well.

**Disclaimer**

Here are some clarifications as to the purpose and scope of this blog:

The purpose of this site is to use the experience gained through our investigation to give additional insight to others. Through reading the material presented we hope you will gain a new perspective into our world. We pray that through our conversations you might be aided in your own search for truth.

We confess that not all Christians agree on every area of doctrine. In the same way, Mormons are not cookie-cutter-carbon-copies of one another. In light of this, please understand that Paul and Bryan are not attempting to speak for everyone else of their faith, but instead, are speaking out of their own understanding of their personal beliefs.

You should not trust anything on this site as being infallible, but instead, use critical analysis and research the topics discussed here for yourselves. We will do our best to provide source material, but seeing as many of these conversations have been collected from past discussions, errors may come up. Please report any false information that is presented and we will do our best to correct it.

In everything said and done on this blog, both Paul and Bryan reserve the right to be wrong. The entire goal of these investigations is that, someday, one or both of them will come to the realization that they have believed in a false faith, leading them to the "One Truth". While the beliefs shared on this site hold true for the person at the time they wrote it, beliefs can change as new information is presented.

We’re excited to have you join us in this adventure and pray that the Truth will be found, and through it, we will be set free. Amen!

Let The Games Begin!

Hi, my name is Paul, or as the computer world knows me, Panos.

About 3 years ago, I was playing a game called Team Fortress 2, when all of the 24 players left the server except for me and a player named "Amulon", later to be known as Bryan. We friended each-other in the game and soon joined a clan together and became partners in creating our own gaming group of warriors. As we became better friends we each realized the other person wasn't your everyday guy... something was different, neither of us swore or used crude humor, and we were both very honorable people. That's when we found out that we're both heavily involved in our faiths. Mine being Orthodox Christianity, and his being The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

I had no idea what Mormonism was at the time, I "knew" Jehovah's Witnesses were bad and that Mormons might be something like that, but this Mormon was grade "A" material! I figured he's just a Christian, like me! I was happy that we would both be going to heaven someday.

After a while I learned more about the LDS church and came to the conclusion that we did not belong to the same church after all... That we believe in two different Gods, two different Jesus' and that our two faiths could never be reconciled... Our only option was to investigate both faiths and see if we could find out which one, if not both, was false.

So here we are, We've spent about a year going through intensive investigation on each of our respective faiths and decided we'd post them on the web just in case our discussions proved to be helpful in any way for those out there who may run into a similar (completely random) situation.

Today Bryan and I are great friends and although we joke around quite a bit, we both have incredible respect for the other person and their faith. We are both trying to find the truth, for God is truth and the truth will set us free. Please keep us in your prayers and any comments are welcome.

Let the games begin! W007!

-PaulO