Outer Darkness, Spirit Prison and Hell. Are they Different?

No.

Okay that’s my post. Wanted to keep it short. See ya!

What? You expect more from me then that?? Jeez. High maintenance.

Alright well, first off, what I say is what the LDS church teaches. I'm curious about what other faiths believe though soo... tell me. :)

Something about Outer Darkness and such:

We believe that if you are not baptized in the LDS church before your death you go to spirit prison where you can be taught the gospel in heaven and then someone on earth can do the work for you and you can actually be moved out of spirit prison. Since there’s a post about the different heavens on here, I’ll assume you will know what I’m talking about. If you don’t, read Bryan’s post called “Heaven? Heavens?” There are things that must be completed on earth for you to reach the celestial kingdom so having your baptismal work done for you after you’re dead will not get to you to that state, but you can enter the telestial kingdom.

Something else about Outer Darkness and such (Don’t you love these headings? They’re really helpful.):

This will probably come as a shock to some people. I’m pretty sure it caught me by surprise. You don’t go to Hell for being “bad”. If you murder someone on earth you will be judged by God at the judgment bar and will have to repent and such, but it does not qualify you for Hell. Sending someone to Hell is a serious matter, it’s not just for people who made a wrong decision. It’s saved for the worst sin that can be committed. Denying God. If you know and believe in God and have his spirit with you and know the truth then you actively and knowingly reject Him that is an unpardonable sin. That will bring a path to Outer Darkness. I’m pretty sure my teacher also mentioned that not even Hitler would be sent there…

Something more about Outer Darkness including examples (and such):

We have some examples of this in the Bible. (There are also things about this in the Book of Mormon, but I try to not quote from the BOM as much. Since the Bible is the common book of teachings. If you want to hear what the BOM has to say about it though tell me. I’ll post some stuff from it.) Jonah was a prophet of God, right? Well of course right. Jonah had gone against God and was in the “belly of Hell” not literally, but spiritually. In Jonah Ch. 2 it says:

1 Then Jonah prayed unto the Lord his God out of the fish’s belly,

2 And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the Lord, and he heard me; out of the

belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.

3 For thou hadst cast me into the deep, in the midst of the seas; and the floods compassed

me about: all thy billows and thy waves passed over me.
4 Then I said, I am cast out of thy sight; yet I will look again toward thy holy temple.

This next one is from Matthew. I think it’s saying that people who commit sins on the earth, but do nothing to the spirit of people are not those we need to fear. Well… don’t take that to seriously. You might die. Fear them. By all means. But eternally, and spiritually. Don’t. Fear those who tear down your spirit. Because once you lose your spirit and what is true (Heavenly Father and Christ) you will lose your place in Heaven.

Matthew Ch. 10

28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Well I don't have anything else to say right now, but I can answer questions! Thank you for tuning in. :) (p.s. the verses were having troubles posting in the right format so they're randomly spaced and on random lines. haha)

Remember Remember the 25th of December?

"Remember, remember the 25th of December,

The Birth of Christ our Lord,

I know of no reason why the Birth of Christ

Should ever be ignored."

Hey Merryamartyr here!

It's my first post so be nice...

Today were gonna talk about religious holidays. Whether Mormon or Christian we share many of the same "Holy Days" and we all put a ton of focus on these occasions. Christmas, Easter, Pioneer Day, Good Friday, Palm Sunday, April 6th, or May 15th; all these days have great importance to our religions and in turn to who we are. What I would like to discuss is whether or not they should play as large of a role as they do.

In Christianity, the attendance of Church meetings double for Easter and Christmas which is great but what is the real cause. Many people feel they need to be better on Sunday because they are nearer to God or maybe he is watching more closely and this is amplified even more on these "Holy Days". I mean should we really treat our neighbors more kindly during the holidays or should we be better Samaritans all year. Should we merely contemplate the wonderful miracle and mystery of our Saviors birth on the 25th of December and his death and resurrection on easter or would it serve us better to keep this Good News on our lips all year long.

I am not saying there is anything wrong with celebrating these days but are they really more important than any other day. Wouldn't we make just that much more of an impact on the world if every day we gave liked Christmas, meditated on God's goodness like Easter, or _______________ like on Pioneer Day! ( Someone explain that one to me :D ) Anyway, these are just my thoughts, I am much more interested in hearing yours!

In the Love of Christ,

Merryamartyr

Misconstrued Much?

Hello, all you funny little internet goblins. Sorry I'm late by a day or so. Here's a quick thought.

When you try to define any religion solely by the contents of their respective scripture, you're going to oversimplify, generalize and assume a dangerous amount of information that may or may not be true. I've seen plenty of books and websites that are devoted to thoroughly refuting the Bible of any credibility it may claim—and come to think of it, the same is true for the book of Mormon.

Now, I'm a Christian, and though I may often be ashamed of the believers, I'm not ashamed of the God I believe in. Furthermore, I believe the Bible to be his own directly inspired word.

But here's the thing—it's not a rulebook, it's a narrative. It's a story about people being people and God being God. Therein lies the potential for enormous conflict and insane amounts of perversion and sin—some graphically depicted, no punches pulled. Let's be honest here—the Bible is chock full of things that kids under seventeen aren't allowed to see at the movies.

<=[Mum and Daddy forgot to fast-forward through the Ezekiel 23 part.]

So what does the Bible have to do with me? It's an inspiration and a conduit for Truth—even if that truth is metaphorical and not literal—and it's a way to open my perception. It's a way for my very finite mind to learn, no matter how vaguely, how to recognize the appearance, movements, characteristics and habits of God. That's the important part.

Are there some literal truths in there? Oh, yeah. You can bet on it—the Bible has proven time and again to be more scientifically and historically accurate than scientists and historians themselves, from things like the existence of King David or the Hittites to the evidence of the universe literally having been created from nothing. Do some research and utilize your friendly neighborhood Google. This info is common knowledge now, but nobody likes to admit the Bible's historical accuracy had one-upped them at any time on any matter.

But I'm not here to prove the accuracy of the Bible and my point remains the same: while I believe the Bible is the inspired word of God himself, it's still only a book. It's only a book because without God's Spirit, it can accomplish nothing and prove nothing. That's why people who try to pick holes in Christianity by way of the Bible think they've already won so solidly—they've reduced the entire movement to the words in a book. Once they experience the movement of God in their life for what it is and can still refute it with logic, then I'll be impressed.

It hasn't happened yet. I don't think it will.

Happy Halloween Almost!

Hi. I’m back! And yes, that's me. Ta-da! I know this is long overdue. To get on with it, I’ve decided to write about abstinence. I’m not actually sure why… It’s not something I’ve been thinking about lately or anything, but I think someone said something about it in church a couple weeks ago and it just seemed like a good thing to write about.

Q: LDS members abstain from everything that isn’t church related and the rest of the world deems “fun”. True or False?

A: You better have said false.

Q: LDS members abstain from everything that isn’t church related and the rest of the world deems “fun” except for Lemonade. True or False?

A: True.

Don’t quote me on that. :P That’s absurd. Of course it’s not true!

I’m going to start with a short story about a boy named Glenn. Chelsea will know who I’m talking about. Haha One night when we were freshman in high school, Chelsea and I were on my computer and I wanted to add a friend from school to my msn messenger. (Yes, this story comes from the days when that was new and huge.) His email address had the word kryptonite in it. So I typed in his email and added him on there only to find the person I added was online so we started talking to him. Chels and I found out soon enough that this was not the right person. We had just added a boy one year older than us who was from Belgium!! He spoke pretty good English though and we actually ended up becoming friends with him. (I later found that my friend I was trying to add spelled kryptonite differently for his email.) I talked to him and he found out I was LDS. He asked me some questions because he’d heard of our church. He asked about polygamy (surprise surprise :P) and about us not drinking alcohol. We talked about not smoking, using any form of drugs, drinking alcohol or coffee, etc. He couldn’t understand it, but after a little while he said, “Wait, so can you just not have anything that your body can become addicted to?” Bingo! I don’t think I’d ever thought of it that way, probably partially because of my age, but it’s the basic reason. As LDS members, we do not use anything that could even remotely bring about the possibility of addiction. Everyone knows that the LDS church has the Book of Mormon besides the bible. We actually have another book of scripture as well called the Doctrine and Covenants which was written by Joseph Smith about the latter day revelations the church was receiving. It’s also a history of the church after it was restored by him. In Section, or Chapter, 89 we have what we call the Word of Wisdom. It’s revelation of what is good and bad for our bodies.

D&C 89:4-9

4 Behold, verily, thus saith the Lord unto you: In consequence of evils and designs which do and will exist in the hearts of conspiring men in the last days, I have warned you, and forewarn you, by giving unto you this word of wisdom by revelation—

5 That inasmuch as any man drinketh wine or strong drink among you, behold it is not good, neither meet in the sight of your Father, only in assembling yourselves together to offer up your sacraments before him.

6 And, behold, this should be wine, yea, pure wine of the grape of the vine, of your own make.

7 And, again, strong drinks are not for the belly, but for the washing of your bodies.

8 And again, tobacco is not for the body , neither for the belly, and is not good for man, but is an herb for bruises and all sick cattle, to be used with judgment and skill.

9 And again, hot drinks are not for the body or belly.

So yeah. Don’t get addicted to things. Besides, usually the things people get addicted to are very harmful for the body. The substances are impure and are not natural. Anyways, that’s one form of abstinence.

Another one … fidelity to your spouse. And clean moral standards. Abstinence from any temptations of sexual behavior. There’s not much to say about this one. It’s not only in the the LDS faith that people have the belief that you “wait until your wedding night”. However, I’ve never heard it stressed more by someone outside of my church. It’s hurtful towards our Heavenly Father to treat his gift to us of our bodies wrongly. They are delicate and are meant to be respected and need to be respected. Choosing to not abstain from this can lead to a lot of heartache, a lot of problems in families and your own personal life and it is not worth the risk.

Since Elder Packer is pretty popular right now I will quote him. Elder Boyd K. Packer said, “Now words can be used as weapons against you. If they throw the word diversity at you, grab hold of it and say, “I am already diverse, and I intend to stay diverse.” If the word is tolerance, grab that one, too, saying, “I expect you to be tolerant of my lifestyle—obedience, integrity, abstinence, repentance.” If the word is choice, tell them you choose good, old-fashioned morality. You choose to be a worthy husband or wife, a worthy parent.”

The end. That’s all. Goodnight. Amen.

How Are You Doing!?!

Life is always full of surprises, challenges and changes. Recently our family has made a big move from Michigan to Texas. Not only is the climate completely different, I am finding that the people and culture are very different too. It always amazes me how even though we all live within the United States, each state has it's own 'flavor' and way of doing things. But for all the differences I see, one thing still remains. All people are looking for validation of their existence and love, true love and for someone to care about them. This observance had me thinking... 'do I properly display the love that Jesus Christ had shown or the type of love that our society teaches'? Surface, self-seeking love seems to be pretty common in our culture. It was long after I started thinking about this, that I was tested on this very topic.

I find this type of love where ever I go. Even at church, at times. Most greetings today include, 'how are you' and the most typical response is 'good' or the occasional church going response of 'blessed and highly favored', but I can't help but wonder if it is a true statement and should I attempt to dig deeper to see if indeed they are 'good' or just let it go, because after all I have my own issues, too. (note the hint of sarcasm)

We are currently staying in an RV park as we are looking for property. There are many, many dog owners in this park who break just about every dog 'rule' that the park has set up. One evening my 7 year old and another friend took our beloved Labrador to the pet park to throw a ball around with him. Another woman came to the park without having her dog on a leash and their dog got away from her and barked quite aggressively at our 7 year old. Our lab, who instinctively protects our little girls, picked up this 'lap dog' who was about a tenth of his size and shook it around like a rag doll and sent quite a message to leave his owners alone. Now...here is the challenge, with the woman crying hysterically the husband shouting out every swear word I believe he posses in his limited vocabulary...can I display the love of Christ I know He wants me to yet still not get walked all over by this unreasonable soul? Hmmm, I'm usually up to a good challenge - so I dive in.

After we determined that both dogs were going to be ok (well, theirs needed a couple stitches-ouch) I tried to get his focus off the dog and on to his personal life. Focusing on the dogs weren't producing anything good - they refused to admit their dog was equally at fault as our dog was. Eventually I was able to break though. Even though she rejected my offer to pray with her, after a day her husband did allow me to speak 'God' into their lives. Come to find out that his wife's mom died a few months ago, their son was in a bad car accident a few years ago and she still carries a ton of grief around from these two events. She is on anti-depressants, common for women in their 40-50's, these days and generally is having a hard time with life. She views this dog as her entire life.

This experience of showing God's love, I find, was much harder than praying for waitress with a brace on her wrist, or for the friend that needs a job. I don't know what God is going to do with this new contact, in fact the park had to move our location for 3 weeks because of a scheduling error, and wouldn't you know it is only 3 lots down from this couple - God does have a sense of humor.... but it always amazes me that if we stop and take the time to find out what is in people's lives, they usually open up and let you see a little about truly 'how they are doing'.

My hope, as a Christian, is to always display the love that God the Father has shown to me through Jesus Christ and even though I may not be perfected in it I must keep trying. After all, isn't Jesus' reputation is on the line?

John 13:35 (By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.”-NKJV)

Debbie

Post from Elder Meyer

Hellllo!

This is Elder Meyer.

I havent read any of the posts, except for the last ones.

I know this church is true! :D

the mission is really hard, but fun. I am helping alot of people come unto Christ. Spanish is... alright. I can understand most, and can speak a good amount. But not enough to be confident. Lame sauce.

i am surprised i have been out for 2.5 months, but at the same time it feels like i have been gone for years. Its really weird...

looks like the blog is doing well. I dont have much time left on the computer. in fact, i have about a minute. So i will end with this:

Studies show that birthdays are good for your health. The more you have the longer you live.

Knowing.

No, this isn't a movie review post ;) Although I did like this movie, it was about Nick Cage finding this string of numbers and finding recognizable clusters that represented the days in which there were mass losses of life due to an incident. He was eventually able to decipher the numbers down to a point where he not only could match past events, but also predict future events! Not wanting to give the movie away I'll stop there.

So, it's been a while guys! Bryan's been gone for about 2.5 months... I've been getting along alright, it's been weird tho... lonely at times. But I was able to write him a giant letter and even got one back! He told me all about the training center and how much work it was :P The second half of his letter was devoted to his bearing his testimony to me :) I enjoyed the letter and his bearing his testimony to me.

He told me that he wasn't wasting two years of his life for something he "thought" was true, he said that he "knows" the church is true. So that brings me to the topic of today's post: Knowing.

What does it mean to know something? The Free Dictionary puts it this way: Possessing knowledge, information, or understanding. So according to this we can know that the Earth revolves around the Sun... But I guess we could also 'know' that the Sun revolves around the earth, right? I mean before Galileo Galilei, the knowledge of the time was undoubtedly that the Earth revolves around the Sun (The Sun also having a major role in the aforementioned movie). So I guess it's possible for people to know (to possess knowledge, information, or understanding) things that are not factually true.

What does it mean then, when Bryan tells me he's not just serving a mission because he "thinks" it's true, but rather that he "knows" it's true? I guess they mean the same thing, except by using the word "know" it's somehow supposed to mean more than thinks?

I know that 2 and 2 make 4, at least I think I know... I've been taught addition in math class, it makes sense to me, I try it out and it continues to yield the correct answers for me. As far as I can tell, that knowledge is true. Not that I am the authority on truth, but based on the reasoning skills I possess, I am fully convinced of the truthfulness of the science of addition.

I know Bryan believes Mormonism to be the one true religion, I'm sure he thinks it is, I'm also sure he 'knows' it is. But that doesn't make it true, does it? I'd say not at all, even myself, in my assessment of what Bryan knows, I could be wrong. :P Bryan can be wrong too.

For me, instead of using words like 'know' and 'believe' I'd much rather use words like "I am fully convinced". This way I can tell others that I am aware that the evidence itself doesn't make it's own conclusions, that I am the one drawing conclusions from the evidence... That I am fully convinced that Christianity is true, and that Mormonism is not. I could have been wasting the last 8 years on something I "thought" was true. I admit, it's possible for me to be wrong.

I miss Bryan, I know that no matter what, these two years for him will not be wasted. Either way, he's going to be learning a lot, me too! We've got tons of 'knowledge' that we can attain to help us better shape our conclusions right?

Haha, sorry if this is all over the place, but it's something I've been thinking about for a while.